Session Start: Sat Feb 09 18:51:51 2002

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Ladyslvr: Look at all the people

tptigger Yeah, you'd think there was a VIP coming or something. :)

Ladyslvr: Ladyslvr grins Too bad everyone here is an OP

tptigger I count two Luke Skywalkers amongst the Darth Vaders. :)

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Ladyslvr: well, we all knew you had problems ... :)

TheDreadnought Are people logging? TheDreadnought is unsure if his logs works

TinyTim Yep

tptigger I think so.

TheDreadnought Hopefully someone is then

Ladyslvr: Possibly, everyone.

Sammie_Winmill OK shall we introduce ourselves...

TheDreadnought I have logging switched on, but noticed my logs haven't updated since October 10th

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TheDreadnoughtIntroduce ourselves - OK, I'm Shaun, near fanatical Australian TP fan

Ladyslvr: I'm Wendy. I'm the owner of the lists and the web mistress for the TPFICT archives.

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Sammie_Winmill Shaun this is a completely new experience for me. I've never spoken to anyone like this before. What's on your mind?

TinyTim is Simon Fraser from Perth, Scotland, a NS fan, but just getting interested in the OS too :)

tptigger OK, I'm Beth, from Minnesota-- not as fanatical as Shaun, but fanatical enough to be a bad graduate student this afternoon. :)

tiylaya Hello, I'm Elizabeth. A fan from the UK

TinyTim Who else wants to introduce themselves...?

TheDreadnought OK - well, thanks, first of all for giving us some of your time

Sammie_Winmill Wendy hello it's really good to know you're there and gunning for the tp, and have been keeping this whole thing alive since when ever...Perhaps when we get warmed up a bit we'll get into some further conversation.

TheDreadnought Well, I have a question to start with?

RedKF Hi, Sammie... sorry to be a bit late. I'm Kristy in Arkansas. Who never sends fan mail for fear of being a gooie star struck idiot... then comes here and fits the description perfectly. :) Highly in awe to meet you.

Sammie_Winmill Beth: Greeting to you. I also feel like a student today because I've never done any e-mail before. ... as I know nothing about computers.

Ladyslvr: Hi Sammie. We're so glad you could make it. Conversation would be great, but I know some people have questions first. Shaun? ...

Sammie_Winmill we can both be students together tonight.

TinyTim Many thanks for giving us your time, Sammie :)

Sammie_Winmill Hi Elizabeth. I'd love to know where in the UK you are?

tptigger Well, thank you for being so willing to learn as you go. :)(We're all happy to help -- but I'm sure Jackie's a great resource.)

TheDreadnought Well... I'm just wondering how much you followed the show after your departure? Did you watch it... or maybe come back to it later? Or anything like that?

Sammie_Winmill Hello again Shaun, I didn't watch the show and I didn't follow it, however I am a great believer in the power of the human being as it was designed to be

TheDreadnought Cool

Sammie_Winmill therefore I followed my life as a Tomorrow person in that way

Sammie_Winmill Hello Kristy, it's really good to feel the support of so many people around the world, I have many close friends in America

Ladyslvr: Sammie, we've had a few surveys in the past of the people on the mailing list. You're by far not the only one who modeled his or her life on the TP.

Sammie_Winmill I am sure we will get into some conversation a bit later on

Ladyslvr: That would be nice :)

Sammie_Winmill Great! what do you think is the most important thing about being a Tomorrow Person for real?

Sammie_Winmill That's a good question. Perhaps I should turn it back to you?

Ladyslvr: Many people on the list, myself included, have done their best to live peacefully, to try to help out wherever they can.

TheDreadnought For me... taking an interest in the world, and trying to work in its interests

Sammie_Winmill Wendy, I wish you were here now it seems we could go on for hours about this I think the first step is simply being a decent human being with a good sense of humor, a care for ones self and I honestly believe that if you want to know how the human is meant to be you need to study the universe

tptigger Being able to do the special effects? Just kidding. But seriously-- respecting human beings-- both in their feelings and well being -- the thing I seem to get stuck on is how to promote that.

Ladyslvr: Do you have a spare matter transporter? I'd be happy to stop by.

Sammie_Winmill And if you want to know what the universe is actually meant to do one needs to study the human, I know we are going deep quickly, but that's how I like it

Sammie_Winmill Yes, Beth, a lady after my own heart Most people in the world today see important things to be unimportant and unimportant things to be important

RedKF Wendy, I've been asking for years now and Jackie keeps saying John won't let me have one.... I should have know I was asking the wrong TP.

Sammie_Winmill The way that I start in this is to promote what caused this extraordinary design that I actually am and once I can get it going in myself then I can extend it outside of myself, I hope this makes sense in some way

Sammie_Winmill Hi Elizabeth, I live in Muswell Hill

Ladyslvr: Another thing very much in common with fans of the TP is how many of us were social or intellectual outcasts. Having the TP as a model helped us through that.

Sammie_Winmill Well, Wendy I am so delighted to know of anything that can help humans through the convolutions and bends of this strange world we find ourselves in

Ladyslvr: It's rare to get role models who are smart, powerful, etc. but who still put the legitimate needs of mankind first, and how win out in the end

Sammie_Winmill Kristy, I'm sorry I can't give you a matter transporter physically i.e. jaunting belt but then again if you think now of the Statue of Liberty and I have the same picture in my mind you see we are there now, it's immediate!

Sammie_Winmill Yes Wendy, I agree and it's this rarity that makes it so special

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TinyTim Hey LF :)

RedKF lol... Yeah, but it won't get me to work on time. The trials of being the Sap Friend.

Sammie_Winmill However I do think that in this world today there is always a price to be paid when putting what is really important first but the rewards of that are so great that it is always worth it, wouldn't you agree

Ladyslvr: Definitely

TheLightFantasticHey, Sammie, I'm Meg Freeman from the USA

Sammie_Winmill yes Kristy, work this is one of the unnatural prices that besets us natural beings!

Sammie_Winmill Meg, hello and greetings So what is your way?

RedKF I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I think you and I would take it in entirely different directions.

Sammie_Winmill Yes, Kristy, this is very possible - this is what I love about humans

TheLightFantastic Not much my way :)

Sammie_Winmill Meg, I don't believe you, everyone has something that they are looking for

TheLightFantasticI misunderstood the question, then. My way, I think is to see as much as I can. To see and hear all the angles and sounds that can be seen Towards better understanding

Sammie_Winmill Oh sorry, Meg, I tend to go deep pretty quickly

TheLightFantastic That's quite okay I live in a very religious part of the USA. :)

TheLightFantastic I'm quite used it

RedKF Am I correct that you are thinking basically in a 'potential of humanity' vein outside of any relationship to God, Sammie?

Sammie_Winmill Dear Meg, I think that's a wonderful response and who in their right mind could disagree with that

TheLightFantasticIf someone could, I am interested to see it, for nothing more than the experience :)

Sammie_Winmill Kristy, as I understand it God, an intelligence, call it what you will actually designed the human and therefore everything that humans feel it feels - and sadly so

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Sammie_Winmill Meg, yes it's always a challenge but then I would never be out to persuade anybody it's something only that one feels it's not a brain thing

RedKF Well, we would certainly have our points of agreement and disagreement... but as you say that is what makes it interesting.

Sammie_Winmill Well, the only way to balance is to have some of yourself, and some of others

RedKF I've always heard that if two people agree on everything, one of them is not necessary. :)

Ladyslvr: Sammie, I have to step away from the computer for a few minutes, so let me get a question in real fast here: As I mentioned, I run the TP Fiction archives. I'm sure Jackie had explained fanfic to you, and if she hasn't, make her :) Did you ever have any ideas for the show? Any scripts you would have wanted done had they let you? And would you be willing to share, if you have?

Sammie_Winmill Not at the time but recently an idea has come into my head that I would like to somehow depict a Tomorrow Person communicating with another human who was possessed involuntarily by a perverse essence and causing them to depart from it

Sammie_Winmill Hello, Jansulli, we are getting into deep stuff here, pleased that you have joined us, speak to you soon

jansulli Hellooooo, I will wait my turn

Sammie_Winmill Beth your question please

tptigger Wendy seems to have nicely tangented into my question: Carol was followed on the series by female characters who were less dependent (I could even make a case that Liz was really in charge and let John *think* he was). Did you wish that Carol was allowed to develop in a similar way?

Sammie_Winmill Yes, I think in some ways that would have been good it's a wise lady that allows the man to think that he did it

Sammie_Winmill Hello again Meg, yes, however it depends what others you want of, that doesn't sound good English I know but I do believe one has to select very carefully the things one wants of others and the things one doesn't want

TheLightFantastic Wise advice. :)

Sammie_Winmill Megan do you have a question?

jansulli Yes Did you follow the series after you left, and if you did, which episode would you say was your favourite?

Sammie_Winmill I didn't watch tp after I left.

jansulli In that case, of the episodes you were in, which was your favourite?

Sammie_Winmill My favourite show was Slaves of Jedikiah. There were two parts of that which I really liked best One was when I was helping Stephen in hospital. And the other part was when John and myself were trying to return to the lab on our own power.

Sammie_Winmill Hello again Shaun: What a soldier you've been up all night, I know the feeling, stay on line!

Sammie_Winmill OK message from me to everybody... What's happened? what's going on? Has every one dried up?

TheLightFantastic Oh, Shaun is having problems with his computer I believe

RedKF I'm here... just waiting my turn. :)

Same here

TheDreadnought Some slight problems yes - I'm having to nurse him along

TinyTim OK then, I'll ask next, if that's okay Sammie :)

Sammie_Winmill yes fire away

TinyTim My question is: Do you think there should be another series of TomorrowPeople made, or do you think it couldn't improve on the original?

Sammie_Winmill oh yes definitely. There is an enormity that could be said, portrayed, acted, lived, danced, sung, thought, about the people of tomorrow

TinyTim TinyTim nods Thanks :)

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Sammie_Winmill bye bye tiylaya... Elizabeth. Good to talk to you. Have a good day. Have a good life.

tiylaya Thank you. Bye everyone.

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jansulli May I jump in with a question?

Sammie_Winmill absolutely

jansulli Have you heared any of the CD's? would you be interested in staring in them?

Sammie_Winmill no I haven't heard any of the CD's and yes I'm interested in staring in anything!

tptigger (sorry to jump in here) Has Big Finish approached you at all?

Sammie_Winmill no

jansulli Big Finish is doing another 4 CD's this year so there is still hope!

jansulli Do you keep in touch with anyone from the show?

Sammie_Winmill Jansuli: Very occasionally with Peter, Nick and Phil.

RedKF My question: I have a fanfic that won't leave my head that features Carol... at the rate real life is moving it may never leave my head... but I'd love to know what sort of mother you imagine Carol to be. (The novels left Carol married with a child on another planet)

Sammie_Winmill Hello again Kristy, well I think Carol would have been a very warm and understanding parent. But I think there might have been a danger in her smothering the child too much and she would have had to exercise an inner strength and a discipline for her child to be free from her. Thank you for the question.

RedKF I agree... I also imagine that she would very easily be under appreciated by a busy husband... because she wouldn't let him see she felt neglected

jansulli Would a child have TP abilities?

jansulli Have you got any stories about the show?

Sammie_Winmill jansulli: I'm sure I have but it was all such a long time ago. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to remember certain happenings that may have ensued. I seem to remember once when we were at Teddington and we were filming a scene on a rowing boat and I thought I was never ever going to be warm again. It was so cold that I believed most of the rest of the cast thought that I was a complete and utter wimp! If anything else comes to mind I'll tell you about it.

jansulli Many Thanks

comickid Have you watched the show on tape while you starred in it?

Sammie_Winmill comickid you haven't asked anything yet... you go next please

comickid I'm not sure if this has already been asked yet, but what do you think about the show being released on DVD soon?

Sammie_Winmill Greeting comickid I find your name warming and interesting particularly as comedy is one of my specialties where theatre is concerned. Speak to you soon.

comickid I'm glad you like it :)

Sammie_Winmill I was delighted that the interest was such that it caused a release on DVD. I hope many people get to watch it. Those from the past as well those in the future.

TheDreadnought Ah - a question from the maniac filmographer - besides the Tomorrow People, what other TV shows did you appear in? And films, too, if any..

Sammie_Winmill goodness Shaun. You don't want to know much do you?

TheDreadnoughtI keep a database for other TP fans - and while I can track down a lot, sometimes it's hard to find records hehe...

RedKF maybe he should have you go check his list and tell him what is missing.

TheDreadnought I have: The Avengers (The Eagle's Nest): Molly The Tomorrow People (1973): Carol The Duchess of Duke Street: Ethel Doctor In Charge: Nurse Sandra Crumpton The Professionals (Old Dog With New Tricks) (1977): Young Lady The Pied Piper (1972): Gretel I have no idea if there is any more or not... I just know that sometimes there are gaps

Sammie_Winmill OK. Television. The Duchess of Duke Street, Dr. in charge, Z-cars, The professionals. Films: Futtocks End, Up Pompeii, and up the chastity belt! I'm letting all my secrets out now!

TheDreadnought Wonderful!

tptigger Don't worry, Sammie, it can't be any worse than some of Nick's stuff. :)

Sammie_Winmill Shaun let me ask you a question: Shaun I would love to know. Can you name what it is that interests you so much about me?

TheDreadnought New things to seek out... of course, Nick Young asked me to burn one of the films he was in

RedKF Your a Tomorrow Person. Nuff said. :)

Sammie_Winmill Beth thanks for your understanding and encouragement.

tptigger You're welcome.

TheDreadnought You were in the Tomorrow People - like I say, obsessed fan. About you - well, really I know little about you except what I've seen here today. But about Carol - Carol, I really liked. I loved her scene sitting there trying to explain to Stephen what he was. And in The Medusa Strain, her strength helping Peter stay out of despair, and her courage as she was pushed into the airlock - willing to die rather than put others at risk.

tptigger That airlock scene really stuck with me-- I saw the airlock in Medusa Strain when I first got my tapes-- and I was able to remember the entire scene despite not having seen the episode in 10 years.

RedKF I love her railing out Kenny for his stunt with the police man.

TheDreadnought Oh yes - and then when he's obviously miserable at being told off, she can't keep it up (-8

RedKF Yep... I love it.

TheDreadnought I suppose what I liked about Carol was her strength - very strong, but also very caring.

Sammie_Winmill Shaun thanks for that. Yes strength warmth and courage are beautiful qualities and it was good to hear you name them.

Sammie_Winmill Beth: I believe it's important to remember the things that stick strongly in ones mind. If you look for the quality that it's attached to then you can see why it is and what it is your spirit leaps for.

RedKF That's the scene that I remembered over the years... I had a lot of the lines wrong, but the feeling was just what I remembered.

Sammie_Winmill Shaun Yes I'm afraid that's me all over.

TheDreadnought As a writer of fanfic, Carol is one of my favourites characters to write because of her compassion as well.

Sammie_Winmill Shaun: that's lovely. I have to believe its because you too have compassion for certain things that are important.

Sammie_Winmill Kristy: Yes, yes, yes.

Ladyslvr: I'm back.

RedKF I think I had basically Americanised the lines in my head.

Sammie_Winmill I'm sure there is someone that I've missed. That I haven't answered. If you're still there please come back and ask me again.

RedKF (lol... she sounds just like Carol. Would never want to leave anyone out.) The compassion in Carol was all you. :)

Sammie_Winmill Kristy lol. How sweet. You are obviously a great detector of character something that I would like to improve in my own life.

TinyTim Okay guys... Has anybody any further questions for Sammie.. :) It's just about time to wrap things up

jansulli I know this is probably an old question, but how long were you in the TP show?

Sammie_Winmill 30th April to the 30th July 1973

RedKF lol, thx.

jansulli That was certainly a short time to make such a big impact!!!

RedKF She was one of the first... she got to help set the standard for what a TP was.

Sammie_Winmill Jansulli that is an amazing complement thank you.

Sammie_Winmill Back to the question about a child being a tp? who asked that one?

RedKF I think it was jansulli... following up one of mine.

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Sammie_Winmill Hello again Jansulli that is a really good question.

Sammie_Winmill I believe that when every child is born without doubt it has TP abilities but depending on how strong it is to keep out the forces of this now polluted world is questionable but there is always the possibility.

TheDreadnought Guest has just made it!

Guest67454 David, 30, from Kingwood, Texas U.S.A. High-Functioning Autistic male here.

Ladyslvr: Sammie, this topic has come up on the lists before and we always seem to arrive at the conclusion that a teleporting two-year old would *not* lend to the survival of the species. What do you think?

Sammie_Winmill Wendy: I honestly believe that natural powers such as these, particularly in a child can only be used in safe circumstance. However, in adult hood once tampered with by the brain yes I agree it could get very dangerous. I know you were perhaps asking in jest but there is a truth in this I believe and I take it seriously.

Ladyslvr: There was no jest.

jansulli I wonder if that would make it easier or harder bring up the child, being one yourself?

Sammie_Winmill David Hello to you better late than never. Is there anything you want to say, A question? A statement? anything... what is on your mind?

Guest67454 You are my personal favourite actress from the original series I saw on cable many moons ago.

Sammie_Winmill David: thank you for the lovely compliment, if I remember rightly did you not write to me and did I not respond sending you a photograph with my autograph?

Guest67454 Yes I did. Well, I tried to. By way of Angeriana.

Sammie_Winmill who do you think angeriana is?

Sammie_Winmill Wendy: thank you for that. I did in no way mean to presume it's just that many people cannot take the seriousness of these kinds of issues. I know that what a child considers safe and an adult considers safe are two entirely different things.

RedKF Sammie, walking is a natural process but a small child will often chose to walk into a place that isn't safe for him or her to be... jaunting there would be double the trouble.

tptigger I'm about to go all biologist on you guys. I'm very, very sorry: A TP "gene" (or, more likely, group of genes) that didn't turn on until puberty would probably be highly advantageous from an evolutionary standpoint because of these issues. Probably regulated by some hormone (I can't think of any off hand that are unregulated at puberty and aren't sex specific). OK, rant off, I promise.

TheDreadnoughtDo it again and you'll get a lecture on the quantum probabilities of the hole seen in 'Into the Unknown' tigger Or some.

Sammie_Winmill Tigger...tigger tigger you've obviously got a lot going on in that head of yours and it's all too quick for me at the moment but the fact that you're inspired is everything I hope to speak to you about this again.

RedKF And she wonders if we take this stuff seriously. ;) See what happens when you turn our science staff on?

Guest67454 I had told her to tell you. That's all I remember now. This is a High Functioning Autistic male you're speaking to who tends to pretty much live in the present.

Guest67454 My diagnosis would be looked upon with patience by TP, I believe. Neuro-Typical people, most of them wouldn't.

RedKF David, we could all likely use to live in the present a bit more. I could anyway. We could learn a lot from you

Sammie_Winmill Dear David it's lovely to hear from you and thank you so much for your honesty, your courage and your persistence. Please keep going.

TheDreadnought is AS himself, David - a lot of understanding out there

Guest67454 I'm struggling to jump start a recording career. In Contemporary Gospel music. Got two recordings out that were done with accompaniment tracks. Two compact discs/cassettes I should say. Worthy Is The Lamb (First) and Heaven's Gates (Second).

Guest67454 At work presently on my first original effort where I'm taking part in the musical instrument playing (especially on drums) next to singing on songs I composed with a friend of mine. I play on the instrumental drum solo song, Crusaders At War.

Guest67454 John Bonham-esque in delivery, that track is.

Sammie_Winmill David Fantastic don't ever stop. This is the food of the gods!

jansulli I think Sammie should join the discussion list

Guest67454 Ditto.

RedKF Definitely. Yes! She may get tired of some of our silly discussions... but she'd love our more technical types.

Sammie_Winmill Thank you so much for all your interest and support in the Tomorrow People. There was definitely a message in the TP that is for real and to me reality is stranger than science fiction. God bless, keep going, keep strong, keep safe and stay bright.... Sammie

Ladyslvr:We do have an interesting assortment of advanced degrees.

jansulli It's all interesting

Sammie_Winmill We must go now... Good Bye to you all.

jansulli Thanks for joining us Sammie. Hope you enjoyed it!!

comickid Bye Sammie.

TinyTim Good-bye Sammie Many thanks :)

RedKF Night! Thanks so much for coming!

tptigger Bye Sammie,thanks for taking time to speak with us.

Guest67454 Hope I can hear from you again. :-)

TheLightFantastic Oh, yes, I've enjoyed this chat a lot Sammie Thank you for your time!

TheDreadnought Thank you for your time,

Sammie. jaunts back to the lab

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Session Close: Sat Feb 09 21:05:58 2002

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